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welcome everybody to somewhere in the

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skies i'm your host ryan sprague

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and today is a very special day here on

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the show

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we're going to be talking to two very

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important people who are starting on a

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brand new television series that is

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premiering on the history

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channel on december 12th and that is

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history's greatest mysteries

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narrated by lawrence fishburne and

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within the context of this series

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there's going to be a few

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mini series and one of those is about a

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case near and dear to my heart as i know

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it is

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many of yours as well and that is

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roswell

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me today

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is the lead investigator of the show ben

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smith who is a

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former cia operative which we will

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definitely touch on

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and also the granddaughter of the first

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military witness to step foot on the

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roswell crash site

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and that is denise marcea so guys

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welcome

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to somewhere in the skies thanks so much

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for being here hi

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thank you for having us yeah this is a

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trip thank you ryan it's great

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my pleasure um i mean like i mentioned

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this case is means so much to so many

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people out there it's kind of their uh

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their gateway drug into the ufo world

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and i know it was for me

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as well the first book i ever read on

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by nuclear physicist stanton friedman

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who wrote crash it corona

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so you know not only were ufos

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supposedly visiting our planet from

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somewhere else but they were

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crashing and that terrified me as a 12

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uh it's been a tale spin for me since

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there but um i'm sure this has been a

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crazy experience for the both of you

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as well so um i kind of just want to

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dive into

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the show and your investigation ben what

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you guys um

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uncovered we won't give away too much

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obviously

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but um ben for my audience you know i

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don't think they've really ever

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seen you before um or heard from you uh

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unless you

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you uh you've been tapping their phones

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in your previous life and everything but

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i'm just kidding brother i'm just

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kidding

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but um yeah can you tell us a little

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about yourself you know the work you did

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with the cia and yeah what led you to

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want to investigate the roswell case of

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all things

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yeah it's a long story i'll try to keep

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uh my name is ben smith from the pacific

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i joined the cia out of graduate school

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to uh you know serve my country to

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learn about the intelligence process do

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prevent terrorist attacks and you know

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foreign espionage against our country um

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hollywood parloux is the undercover

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businesses and governments or weapons of

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mass destruction right a global danger

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um i really cut my teeth in the field

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dealing with a lot of individuals

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claiming they had access to pretty

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fantastic information you know it could

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somebody approaching me and saying hey i

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know where some radioactive material is

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hey i know there's a terrorist attack

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uh uh you need to listen to me and

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all of these kinds of people right who

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sometimes want to help and sometimes

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me or others uh and getting to

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the bone you know is this really true

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and is it useful and can we do something

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i really cut my teeth doing that kind of

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my wife now wife uh and two uh to really

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really what else is out there uh and to

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ponder those big questions and one of

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i turned my eye to was okay ufos what's

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uh why do people all around the world

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and is there really any there there i'd

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in uh uh this is already too long sorry

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i've grown up

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it you know in the 90s with when uh

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awesome fiction like

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uh the x-files and some of the

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programming on

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unsolved mysteries kind of captured my

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imagination and it took off from there

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it's still a passion of mine to figure

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out what is happening is is this a real

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national security

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uh a global security threat

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we need to be serious right and we know

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the pentagon has looked at that

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potential threat of

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what you fos or what they're now coining

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unidentified aerial phenomena uh what

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be and could they pose a potential

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threat and i mean

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talk about a threat when something

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crashed in the desert in 1947

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that a lot of people including your

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grandfather

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denise uh couldn't figure out what it

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was and this guy

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was a trained observer he knew what to

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look for in the skies it was his job

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um so let's kind of um get your

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background denise i mean i'm sure

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some people uh recognize you from the

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show that i was a part of

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um in looking at roswell but yeah could

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you tell us a little about your

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connection to all of this

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um even though i kind of spoiled the big

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part you are the granddaughter

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but yeah surprise everyone but yeah tell

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us a little about yourself

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well like you said um my grandfather was

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uh jessie marcel senior

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uh he was a lieutenant colonel when he

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he was the first military officer at

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a crash site in roswell new mexico in

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so intriguing and it just didn't make

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any sense to him

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that on his way back to the base he

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show the material to my grandfather and

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proceeded to my father

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and my grandmother and he did say these

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words to them he goes i think what we

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have here are pieces of a flying saucer

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and i he believed that until the day

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he passed away that what they found out

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there in the desert was a flying saucer

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just because the material just didn't

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right right and i mean the story kind of

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unraveled from there we know about the

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famous headline that came out in the

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newspaper you know

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r a f uh excuse me raaf

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finds flying disc in desert or something

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along those lines i know i uh

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i have it actually right here on my mug

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i should probably show that to everyone

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that's wonderful just i'm no poser i

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promise this case means a lot to me

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but um let's um let's talk a little

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the investigation ben that you guys did

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and it kind of starts with um

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i uh am very thankful to have been

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to have screened recently and uh you

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and this is something some of us have

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and maybe rumored throughout the years

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that there could be this

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this written account or something to do

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the journals of jessie marcel and um

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lo and behold boom uh we won't give away

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too much but yeah tell us a little about

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what this journal meant to both of you

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um ben as an investigator and denise as

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tangible and first person from your

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grandfather i guess

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ben let's start with you if you don't

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mind yeah i mean in the intelligence

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the first thing you want is the best

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thing you you can get is is first-hand

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documentation right whether that's uh

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you know the secret the secret plans of

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being the enemy or

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the terrorist group or what have you and

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here i had a chance to get my hands on a

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first-hand document belonging to a

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military member or

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in the possession of a military attorney

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member who was the key

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uh witness the first witness a

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government witness on the scene in

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roswell in 1947.

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so there's a lot of importance there you

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know when i got a chance to open that

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book it really fascinated me

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i'm someone who has used uh

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centrifuge and you know clever uh

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who's used clever techniques to hide

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sensitive information

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to carry out my own operations but here

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i have a book and

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as soon as i crack it open i can see

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already that there's a lot of room

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and it follows a lot of the procedures

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that i've been trained to use in terms

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hiding information potentially so that

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immediately caught my eye

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and um you know that became the

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foundation of my investigation

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can i authenticate the prominence of

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this document

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is it unreal legitimate and what does it

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tell us so that kind of

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was the the uh yeah it was the basis for

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and really expanded from there um and

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i got to work with denise all along the

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right and i mean the examination

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in analysis done on the journal is

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something we won't get into you have to

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but um it packed a punch i mean you guys

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went straight to the top with

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um people to analyze the hand writing

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and um to possibly decode some stuff

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a little more mysterious side than the

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contents of the journal

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but um denise what was it like um

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looking at this and hearing about it as

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ben was also investigating

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it i mean i mean this came straight from

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your grandfather

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well you know the the journalist it's a

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very it's very intriguing i guess that's

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the best word to describe it because

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what's written in there sort of

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just doesn't make sense so with having

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ben look at it from a different

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perspective you know of a cia background

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um it lends to

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i think it makes it even a little bit

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more mysterious because it's just some

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of it just doesn't make sense and

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maybe it was meant to be cryptic and

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that we weren't supposed to understand

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what it was saying because

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it's there's just some odd stuff in it

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um

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it's it's yeah i i don't know how else

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to describe it it's i'm just really

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happy that

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we have somebody taking a a different

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look at it

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you know other than our family and

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having somebody from the cia

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actually who has a knowledgeable

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background about

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looking at analyzing something that's

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kind of cryptic

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right you know it looks like regular

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like little poems or something like that

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but then it's like

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what why was he writing this it kind of

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doesn't make sense

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right and this was from a standard you

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know

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provided journal that the military gave

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to him so

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i mean that that lends a lot of credence

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too and um

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yeah we uh we'll leave the audience to

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figure out and try to decode some of

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that stuff as ben

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tried to do as well but um i want to

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move to

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kind of the core of this investigation

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which i have done personally

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so many ufo researchers out there like

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stanton friedman

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or or don schmidt who is featured in

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your in your show as well um

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have gone out to the debris site now

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that's a whole

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story of its own there's so many

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proposed crash sites

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that people have claimed to go to out

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there and whatnot but i mean

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then when you were out there man it

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looked very very similar

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as similar as a vast desert can look um

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to me as the actual place which was

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awesome

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so i'd love to hear what was it like man

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for you stepping foot on what

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could possibly be where a ufo no matter

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what that ufo was or wasn't

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where it possibly crashed and was

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subsequently covered up which we'll get

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to but

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um yeah what was that experience like

361
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going out to the the site and um

362
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what'd you guys do out there i gotta ask

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what kind of tools did you bring this is

364
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a very high-tech

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investigation which we're not used to

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which is really exciting so yeah let us

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give us some teases on that one oh man

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it was a thrill to be out there i've

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never been to new mexico before uh it

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was my first time

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uh especially to the debris field um

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you know i've read about it i've read

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many of the works that you cited by uh

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stan friedman and um don schmidt

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and and kevin randle and all the other

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great uh

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researchers who put a lot of work into

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uh piecing to this puzzle together

379
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but being out there for there for the

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first time was pretty incredible you

381
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know whether or not

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a ufo crashed here or not it really is

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the genesis of ufology in the united

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states

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and a global uh a global culture

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for uh ufos and government conspiracy

387
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and so

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you have to give it that space that kind

389
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of reverence it's beautiful it's

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desolate

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uh you know you have to put yourself in

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the shoes of someone like

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uh jesse marcel or uh

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mack razzle to be out on that field and

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really

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be alone with this strange debris and it

397
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really takes you there and kind of

398
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haunts you

399
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in a way but yeah we took we you know we

400
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tried to give this

401
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a really thorough investigation with all

402
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the resources we didn't want to just

403
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turn over new leafs and say oh

404
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this is a potential uh potential new

405
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lead and not

406
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take it right we need to follow every

407
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lead and chase it into the ground

408
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and then see what shakes out of it what

409
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evidence can we present what can we find

410
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we wanted to change the conversation and

411
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so we brought every tool

412
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i can't give away too much about what

413
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kinds of tools but we brought every tool

414
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that we could to

415
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the debris field to see if we could find

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a

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cover-up

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and see uh and or see evidence of a

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large scale cleanup so

420
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you know over time even after 70 years

421
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with the right technology you can cheat

422
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out some of those details so that was

423
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our goal

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uh in bringing out some of the heavy

425
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duty equipment and

426
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you know unprecedented technology to

427
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drive

428
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you right and again that's what i found

429
00:14:39,430 --> 00:14:36,959
so refreshing about this you know

430
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when i did a a televised investigation

431
00:14:41,910 --> 00:14:40,079
as well

432
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you're always hesitant with these things

433
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and denise i mean you've seen and heard

434
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it all

435
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if you can't bring something new to the

436
00:14:51,110 --> 00:14:49,279
roswell case what's the point and so

437
00:14:53,030 --> 00:14:51,120
you know we did our best to bring new

438
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stuff to the table as you guys did

439
00:14:58,389 --> 00:14:55,600
as well and um i think that's amazing

440
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that after 70 plus years we can still

441
00:15:02,150 --> 00:15:00,480
look at this case with fresh eyes and

442
00:15:04,150 --> 00:15:02,160
hopefully someday

443
00:15:06,069 --> 00:15:04,160
get an answer that i know denise you

444
00:15:07,590 --> 00:15:06,079
have wanted your father wanted your

445
00:15:10,790 --> 00:15:07,600
grandfather wanted

446
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um so it's awesome i i think it's so

447
00:15:14,069 --> 00:15:12,480
cool that people are still willing to

448
00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:14,079
look into this case and uh

449
00:15:18,949 --> 00:15:17,360
and uncover things as they happen and um

450
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you did bring up the word cover-up and i

451
00:15:21,430 --> 00:15:20,800
would love to touch on that with both of

452
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you

453
00:15:28,870 --> 00:15:28,000
after looking at this thing like there

454
00:15:31,110 --> 00:15:28,880
clearly

455
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was a cover-up of some sort and i'd like

456
00:15:34,550 --> 00:15:32,639
to get your observations on that but

457
00:15:36,870 --> 00:15:34,560
denise first um

458
00:15:37,829 --> 00:15:36,880
what was it like you know with your your

459
00:15:39,910 --> 00:15:37,839
grandfather

460
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and your father also having touched this

461
00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:41,279
debris at one point

462
00:15:44,949 --> 00:15:43,920
um the cover-up and what the military

463
00:15:46,949 --> 00:15:44,959
did to your

464
00:15:49,110 --> 00:15:46,959
your father or yeah excuse me what the

465
00:15:50,790 --> 00:15:49,120
military did to your grandfather

466
00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:50,800
in all this um from a personal

467
00:15:55,430 --> 00:15:52,480
standpoint

468
00:15:57,189 --> 00:15:55,440
you know as as i've this has been a

469
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actually this this show has been a real

470
00:16:01,030 --> 00:15:58,560
journey for me it's

471
00:16:02,550 --> 00:16:01,040
it's gotten me in touch with um some of

472
00:16:06,710 --> 00:16:02,560
my relatives a lot closer

473
00:16:08,870 --> 00:16:06,720
than i was previously that um

474
00:16:11,030 --> 00:16:08,880
actually knew my grandfather their

475
00:16:13,110 --> 00:16:11,040
family knew my grandfather and

476
00:16:15,030 --> 00:16:13,120
he had talked to them about what he

477
00:16:18,230 --> 00:16:15,040
experienced and everything and

478
00:16:20,710 --> 00:16:18,240
from a personal point of view

479
00:16:22,069 --> 00:16:20,720
i just feel like in some respects the

480
00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:22,079
government really let down my

481
00:16:25,590 --> 00:16:24,160
grandfather i mean he was made to be the

482
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fall guy

483
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and i think it was more of a burden on

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him

485
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than what i realized uh i think it

486
00:16:36,230 --> 00:16:34,480
affected him

487
00:16:37,590 --> 00:16:36,240
and i know it affected my grandmother

488
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too quite a bit

489
00:16:44,069 --> 00:16:40,639
um it was just

490
00:16:47,430 --> 00:16:45,910
outward redemption is the right word for

491
00:16:48,389 --> 00:16:47,440
it but it's just you know when you have

492
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people

493
00:16:52,389 --> 00:16:50,800
calling you names and saying that you're

494
00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:52,399
crazy and that you

495
00:16:55,910 --> 00:16:53,759
you don't know what you're talking about

496
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when he knew exactly what he was talking

497
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about

498
00:17:00,150 --> 00:16:58,000
and he knew that he was telling the

499
00:17:04,710 --> 00:17:00,160
truth it's hard to

500
00:17:07,189 --> 00:17:04,720
live with that and i just want

501
00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:07,199
somehow for my grandfather's name to be

502
00:17:11,110 --> 00:17:08,880
really cleared of this

503
00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:11,120
because i believe what he found out

504
00:17:15,909 --> 00:17:12,720
there was

505
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something that wasn't from here and

506
00:17:21,110 --> 00:17:18,959
i think i think it's i think it's time

507
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for our government to come out and and

508
00:17:26,309 --> 00:17:22,720
tell us what exactly

509
00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:26,319
did happen out there now ben what does

510
00:17:28,390 --> 00:17:26,720
that

511
00:17:29,830 --> 00:17:28,400
mean to someone like you in the

512
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intelligence world

513
00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:33,200
um when it comes to to this covering

514
00:17:36,710 --> 00:17:34,480
things up i mean

515
00:17:38,789 --> 00:17:36,720
there are those out there who argue yeah

516
00:17:40,470 --> 00:17:38,799
there was probably a really good reason

517
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for this to be covered up and others who

518
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say no we deserve to know the truth and

519
00:17:46,549 --> 00:17:45,039
and it would be vindication for someone

520
00:17:49,190 --> 00:17:46,559
like jesse marcel

521
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who who knew full well this was not a

522
00:17:54,549 --> 00:17:51,039
weather balloon as it's been quoted

523
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so um for you what would what would a

524
00:17:58,789 --> 00:17:55,679
cover-up of this

525
00:18:00,150 --> 00:17:58,799
level why do you personally think

526
00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:00,160
the government would do this when it

527
00:18:05,190 --> 00:18:03,360
comes to the roswell crash

528
00:18:07,110 --> 00:18:05,200
well it's important to keep in mind that

529
00:18:09,190 --> 00:18:07,120
this is the center of national security

530
00:18:10,549 --> 00:18:09,200
in the entire country in 1947 all the

531
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most important secrets all the most

532
00:18:14,710 --> 00:18:12,240
important technological developments

533
00:18:16,710 --> 00:18:14,720
of the you know world war ii and the

534
00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:16,720
immediate aftermath happened here in

535
00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:18,960
in new mexico so anything that happens

536
00:18:22,789 --> 00:18:20,320
here is going to cause

537
00:18:23,590 --> 00:18:22,799
reverberations across the us government

538
00:18:26,070 --> 00:18:23,600
now

539
00:18:28,230 --> 00:18:26,080
intelligence services around the world

540
00:18:28,870 --> 00:18:28,240
have flimsy and sometimes damaging cover

541
00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:28,880
stories

542
00:18:32,549 --> 00:18:31,120
uh to cover their operational

543
00:18:35,750 --> 00:18:32,559
requirements or missions

544
00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:35,760
uh or when disaster happens to uh

545
00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:38,240
sweep things under the rug um i myself

546
00:18:42,390 --> 00:18:40,640
have used cover stories uh in the field

547
00:18:44,470 --> 00:18:42,400
and they're very effective at

548
00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:44,480
protecting national security sources and

549
00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:45,840
methods and

550
00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:47,200
so i don't you know i don't have too

551
00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:48,400
many i don't have a bone to pick with

552
00:18:51,510 --> 00:18:49,600
the government for

553
00:18:53,029 --> 00:18:51,520
covering up whatever crashed out there

554
00:18:54,549 --> 00:18:53,039
because obviously it was important

555
00:18:56,549 --> 00:18:54,559
whether it would go with the mobile

556
00:18:59,190 --> 00:18:56,559
explanation that this was a

557
00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:59,200
listening device for soviet atomic

558
00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:00,080
testing

559
00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:03,200
or whether it's an alien spacecraft or

560
00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:05,200
some other experimental craft

561
00:19:08,789 --> 00:19:06,480
there's a good reason to have a cover

562
00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:08,799
story but that comes at a cost and here

563
00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:09,280
it comes

564
00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:11,520
it came at you know jesse marcel's uh

565
00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:12,400
immediate health

566
00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:14,080
and with the health of his family

567
00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:15,919
members and his grandchildren as well

568
00:19:20,630 --> 00:19:17,200
are still dealing with

569
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:20,640
the outs or the cost of of this cover-up

570
00:19:24,070 --> 00:19:23,520
why the government decided to lead with

571
00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:24,080
if it's not

572
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:27,760
the government decide to lead

573
00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:31,280
with an alien a ufo crash cover story

574
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:32,320
that to me sounds

575
00:19:36,549 --> 00:19:34,799
explosive counter counterproductive

576
00:19:38,150 --> 00:19:36,559
because it would draw more attention to

577
00:19:39,990 --> 00:19:38,160
whatever crashed out there

578
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:40,000
so there's some lingering questions if

579
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:42,000
if that was your go-to response

580
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:43,280
it wasn't a very good one and it

581
00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:44,640
certainly wasn't effective because here

582
00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:46,160
seven years later we're still dealing

583
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:47,200
with the aftermath

584
00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:50,160
uh and uh you know to my mind the

585
00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:52,320
government still hasn't uh

586
00:19:55,830 --> 00:19:54,160
convincingly come out with a with a

587
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:55,840
credible explanation of what really

588
00:19:59,350 --> 00:19:57,200
crashed there so there are a lot of

589
00:20:00,070 --> 00:19:59,360
questions now like i come at this as a

590
00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:00,080
neutral

591
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:03,280
ufologist i haven't had any um

592
00:20:08,789 --> 00:20:07,039
uh close encounters of my own uh i have

593
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:08,799
spent a lot of time working or talking

594
00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:10,400
to individuals who have

595
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:11,840
uh but i think it's definitely a

596
00:20:15,669 --> 00:20:13,440
possibility and as long as it's a

597
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:15,679
possibility we need to take it seriously

598
00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:18,240
so that's the lens that i view this at i

599
00:20:22,950 --> 00:20:20,240
haven't um

600
00:20:24,149 --> 00:20:22,960
arrived to any decisive conclusion yet

601
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:24,159
about what happens there

602
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:26,320
but i know that there are still lies

603
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:27,440
being told

604
00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:29,039
and uh how do we get to the truth of

605
00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:30,720
that i think by continuing to

606
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:31,520
investigate

607
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:34,240
and uh continually to pressure uh our

608
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:36,799
government to respond effectively

609
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:39,760
right and i think you know data and

610
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:40,480
evidence

611
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:42,640
is the strongest thing we can have and

612
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:45,039
it's good to see that still happening we

613
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:47,520
at this point we have third fourth hand

614
00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:49,760
stories that we cannot verify

615
00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:52,559
or fact check i mean unfortunately many

616
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:54,320
of the first hand witnesses are gone at

617
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:55,200
this point

618
00:21:02,710 --> 00:20:58,799
so all we really have to rely on is um

619
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:02,720
strong witness testimony and uh the data

620
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:05,120
and i mean this reverberated throughout

621
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:06,559
not just your family

622
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:08,720
denise but i mean so many in the town as

623
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:09,840
well we're told to

624
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:11,840
keep silent we're threatened uh mack

625
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:14,080
brazil the rancher who found the

626
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:15,440
original debris i mean

627
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:17,120
this ruined this guy's life from what i

628
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:19,679
was told i mean he became depressed and

629
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:20,880
kind of an alcoholic

630
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:23,120
after that and like you said then this

631
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:24,880
has real world effects

632
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:26,799
on the people involved and i think your

633
00:21:30,149 --> 00:21:29,600
show really touches on that human aspect

634
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:30,159
to it

635
00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:31,840
as well in bringing in all of the

636
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:33,840
children and um

637
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:36,000
wants children i should say right denise

638
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,039
and um

639
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:39,520
i mean it's such a powerful case and the

640
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:41,280
fact that we can still look at it i keep

641
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:41,919
saying this

642
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:45,520
is uh incredible um so kind of wrapping

643
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:45,840
up

644
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:49,200
specifics of the the um the first

645
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:50,000
episode

646
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:51,919
that i saw we won't get too deep into it

647
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:53,520
again we want people to figure it out

648
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:54,559
for themselves

649
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:57,120
but there has also been rumors that

650
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:58,000
there

651
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:01,039
was wreckage possibly

652
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:03,200
stored somewhere else someone had their

653
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:04,240
hands on this

654
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:06,480
and it's been hiding for years i've

655
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:08,240
heard it don schmidt

656
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,840
everyone involved in this case has heard

657
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:11,520
this at one point or another but

658
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:13,440
nobody has been able to find it so i

659
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:14,880
have to ask

660
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:16,799
is this something that you guys are

661
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:19,280
looking into and um what can we expect

662
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:20,880
on the front of uh

663
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:22,640
possible records still being out there

664
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:27,029
i mean i personally think that this i

665
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:29,760
mean something came down in the desert

666
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:31,360
so there's got to be a trail of that

667
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:31,760
stuff

668
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:33,760
somewhere somebody's got to have a piece

669
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:35,200
of it somewhere

670
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:36,960
and i think it's very important that we

671
00:22:42,549 --> 00:22:38,960
try to find out where this is

672
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:42,559
and and uh bring it to light and examine

673
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:45,280
it and have it studied

674
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:48,080
yeah what do you think then well i first

675
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:49,679
i'd like to kind of pick a bone with

676
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:50,960
dawn schmidt and i've done this to him

677
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:52,640
in his face and maybe we'll have this

678
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:54,640
discussion next week at alien con

679
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:56,080
but he makes a lot of editorial

680
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:57,919
assumptions in his research somebody

681
00:23:02,789 --> 00:22:59,679
knocked on the door and demanded the

682
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:02,799
uh the materials right back brazil bill

683
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:04,559
brazil a number of towns people who said

684
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:05,440
they had a piece

685
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:07,919
uh was confiscated by unknown people at

686
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,880
the door

687
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:10,640
and my one point that i would like to

688
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:12,080
raise in this investigation

689
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:13,679
is well do we know who they are they

690
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:15,120
didn't identify themselves and if this

691
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:16,559
really is a ufo crash

692
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:17,760
every government in the world is going

693
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:19,280
to want a piece of this so those with

694
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:19,919
operatives

695
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:21,520
in the united states at the time and

696
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:23,919
there were we know there were new mexico

697
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:26,640
uh providing information to the soviets

698
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,440
may have also

699
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:29,039
been impersonating government personnel

700
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:30,480
to get a piece of this

701
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:32,480
so if we don't have it here we need to

702
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,480
broaden our scope and really challenge

703
00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:37,200
um you know who which government might

704
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:38,240
have a piece of this

705
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:40,240
and do our best to track that down

706
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:41,919
because it's still an open question and

707
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:42,480
like

708
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:44,320
i agree with denise one hundred percent

709
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:45,919
that

710
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:49,200
is the piece of this aircraft or uh

711
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:51,200
there is a piece of this craft somewhere

712
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:52,559
uh and that's a key part

713
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,159
in kind of solidifying for me personally

714
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:58,720
in deciding or making my best guess what

715
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,200
happens

716
00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:01,440
i'm still i'm still in search of that

717
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,480
evidence

718
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:04,480
we have some real good leads uh at the

719
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:05,600
end of season one

720
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:08,000
and um you know the journey is not over

721
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:09,760
as far as i'm concerned but it's a

722
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:11,360
it's convincing and we and we give it

723
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:13,200
the due diligence the the rigorous

724
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:15,360
analysis that it deserves

725
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:18,320
awesome yeah and i mean again this is

726
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:18,720
that

727
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:20,960
carrot being dangled in front of us for

728
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,760
70 plus

729
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,760
years so i mean i guess kind of bringing

730
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:25,279
it to current day

731
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:29,039
um ufos are kind of

732
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:31,039
in the mainstream like never before new

733
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:33,440
york times washington post

734
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:35,679
um you know various other news outlets

735
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,840
around the world are covering this topic

736
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:39,679
in a way they never really have before

737
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:42,000
you're not hearing the x-files music

738
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,480
played behind news broadcasts or

739
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:46,799
you know the side-eyed glances and

740
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:47,760
giggles this is

741
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:50,559
serious stuff and uh our pentagon

742
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:52,240
created a task force

743
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:55,120
to now look into it after being kind of

744
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,880
um forced in a corner to admit

745
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:59,039
they had been secretly investigating

746
00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:00,240
ufos for

747
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:01,760
you know eight plus years within the

748
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:03,679
pentagon so i'd love to get your

749
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:05,919
your guys thoughts on that um what does

750
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:06,960
your show

751
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:09,120
on the roswell case and bringing forth

752
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:10,240
all this new evidence

753
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:11,840
what does it mean for the world today

754
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:13,360
when it comes to the entire

755
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:16,159
ufo question and it's kind of how this

756
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:16,960
topic

757
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:18,559
has been perceived throughout the years

758
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:20,000
with a lot of stigma

759
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:23,200
um whoever wants to jump into that

760
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:24,960
well i just i think it's personally i

761
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:26,720
think it's being more well accepted

762
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:27,440
today

763
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:30,480
because it is more in the mainstream um

764
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:33,760
i think that i think it's just because

765
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:34,720
there's

766
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:38,000
i don't know i i always you know it

767
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:40,240
international security is involved here

768
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:41,600
too so i think that we

769
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:44,720
do need to know if we're being

770
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:47,760
monitored or being watched from

771
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,080
something that isn't from here we should

772
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:52,640
know that and i i think that

773
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:55,360
as a citizen of earth i i want to know

774
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:57,840
if we're being visited i mean after all

775
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:59,440
that is one of the biggest questions we

776
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:01,360
can ask ourselves is

777
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:04,080
are we alone i mean i don't know of a

778
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:05,600
bigger question that we can ask

779
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:06,640
ourselves

780
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:08,960
and i think that i'm just i'm just happy

781
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:10,159
that it is coming out

782
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:11,760
more in the mainstream media i'm glad

783
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:13,200
that the pentagon is coming

784
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:16,000
forth with showing us stuff that yes if

785
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:17,039
they have been

786
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:20,400
there was a task force uh involved in

787
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:22,400
this

788
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:25,919
yeah yeah and again you know if uh if if

789
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:27,760
all comes to light someday maybe we'll

790
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:29,679
finally get those lost files

791
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:31,600
on roswell but ben what do you think

792
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:33,360
about this kind of new world we're

793
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:35,600
living in with the ufo topic i mean

794
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,600
i i was afraid to talk about this with

795
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:39,600
my friends for so many years that i was

796
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,559
into this stuff

797
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,720
i i lost so many second dates after

798
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:44,400
saying i was a ufo

799
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:47,039
researcher um but things are changing

800
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:48,720
man they are changing all over the world

801
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:49,840
with this so um

802
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:52,000
yeah what do you think um your show has

803
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:53,760
to contribute to the overall

804
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:55,360
conversation that we're having today

805
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:57,919
about ufos

806
00:27:01,269 --> 00:27:00,080
well i'm i'm continually surprised by

807
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:01,279
the positive feedback

808
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:04,000
i get from people across all spectrums

809
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:05,679
who are curious about ufos

810
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:08,320
who are reasonable intelligent educated

811
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:09,279
people who

812
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:11,279
who have ideas about what is happening

813
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:13,120
in our skies that uh

814
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:15,760
i i think deserves more uh credibility

815
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:16,400
and more

816
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:19,279
uh more excitement about honestly these

817
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:19,520
are

818
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:21,120
questions that we should be pondering

819
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:23,360
and preparing for uh but i think it's

820
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:24,159
exciting you know

821
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:26,159
the us government had denied these

822
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:27,919
programs for a long time to come out and

823
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:28,640
say

824
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:31,200
uh that it is seriously researching and

825
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:33,760
putting together taxpayer dollars to

826
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:37,200
to investigate these topics uh really

827
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:38,960
really will do wonders for the field but

828
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:40,880
also i think they should be open to you

829
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:42,399
know citizen engagement right

830
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:46,000
we see that nasa is doing it now with

831
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:46,880
amateur

832
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:49,679
data scientists sifting through you know

833
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:50,640
mountains of

834
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,159
terabytes for uh you know exoplanets and

835
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:56,880
anomalies in space to find out and i

836
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:58,159
think the citizens can be of course

837
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:59,679
multiplier from the pentagon and for the

838
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,120
intelligence community

839
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:03,120
uh probably a lot of bad apples and bad

840
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:04,480
information white noise

841
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:06,000
but also when there's some credible

842
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:07,520
sightings some incredible details that

843
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:09,039
could be the key to

844
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:12,399
uh really figuring out what

845
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:14,399
what is that craft in that video or what

846
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:16,159
did that person see or why do we have

847
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:16,640
this

848
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,080
country um

849
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:22,720
could do wonders for the moving the

850
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:24,480
research forward

851
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,559
right and i think what kind of sets

852
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:28,080
apart what's happening

853
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:31,360
today from something like roswell in 47

854
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,200
is the government and the military

855
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:35,279
didn't really know how to deal with this

856
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,640
back then and you know um it's almost

857
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:40,159
understandable that they would try to

858
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:41,360
keep a lot of it

859
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:43,200
under wraps if they didn't know what it

860
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:44,720
was or what was going on

861
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:46,480
whereas today like you mentioned we have

862
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:49,279
like citizen astronomers and just people

863
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:50,399
sitting at home

864
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:52,159
sifting like you said through data and

865
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,080
that goes for the ufo field

866
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:56,320
as well some of the most tenacious

867
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:57,360
people out there

868
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,640
are like in the shadows never you know

869
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,480
they're not on television they're not on

870
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:04,960
podcasts they're not in the mainstream

871
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:07,200
media um touting things they're doing

872
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:08,320
hard research

873
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:11,279
and really making headway and i mean

874
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:12,240
there's

875
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:16,240
just started the debrief

876
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:19,200
um where we cover defense and technology

877
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:20,320
and i mean

878
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:22,480
we broke a story yesterday about two of

879
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:23,840
the reports

880
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:25,600
that were leaked within the intelligence

881
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,960
communities um

882
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,799
about what they're looking into in the

883
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:30,640
current pentagon task force

884
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:33,440
so again you know whether i don't know

885
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:35,039
your thoughts on stuff like that then we

886
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,960
were not the ones to find it it was

887
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:38,480
provided to us by

888
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:40,799
intelligence leaks that's a whole other

889
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:41,840
story

890
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:44,880
um kind of i guess wrapping that up ben

891
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:46,880
what is it like as a former intelligence

892
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:47,679
officer

893
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:50,080
what are your um your colleagues former

894
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:51,679
colleagues your friends your family

895
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,440
what do they think about you now looking

896
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,279
at roswell i had to ask and put you on

897
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:56,960
the spot about that

898
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:00,000
uh you know it runs the gamut some

899
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:02,480
uh intelligence colleagues community i

900
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:04,000
see colleagues or

901
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:06,559
just wondering why what am i doing

902
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:07,520
because it's not on the

903
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:10,000
it's not on the register of the spectrum

904
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:11,440
of threats that they deal with

905
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,559
right now and to some degree uh and

906
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:16,320
others like hey run with it man you're

907
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:17,600
always weird

908
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:20,000
do you do you so if the feedback runs

909
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:21,120
the gamut uh but

910
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:23,279
uh and i've that was a professional

911
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:25,120
question i had to ask myself like

912
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:26,960
what damage am i doing to my credibility

913
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:28,159
by entering this

914
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:29,919
space and i did you know i just thought

915
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:31,520
it's it's important enough it's

916
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:32,799
interesting enough uh

917
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:34,880
the the wonder the possibility of

918
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:37,600
intelligent life out there

919
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:38,880
was enough to overcome those

920
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:41,200
reservations and just dive right in you

921
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:42,320
know this is um

922
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:45,279
i think the field needs a voice like

923
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:47,039
mine to really sift through

924
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,720
and make sense of some of what we're

925
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:50,399
seeing on the national security

926
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:53,039
perspective can we rule out uh this

927
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:55,120
event maybe it was a training exercise

928
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:57,039
legitimately maybe it's an experimental

929
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:58,240
aircraft but maybe

930
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,840
and possibly it's something else

931
00:31:02,830 --> 00:31:01,840
entirely and we need to really own up to

932
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:02,840
that

933
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:05,679
possibility right yeah and uh

934
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:06,880
you know that maybe is what kind of

935
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,640
keeps us going and i mean i'll say this

936
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:10,559
man we need more people like you

937
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:12,559
in this field because we've kind of

938
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:14,080
fought against

939
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:16,240
people like yourself and vice versa for

940
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:17,360
so long

941
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:20,000
and um i mean i can't blame either side

942
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:20,799
of that debate

943
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:23,440
to be honest it is what it is but i mean

944
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,799
that transparency

945
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:26,320
within government i think is something

946
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:27,919
that's really important

947
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:29,679
for the world right now especially here

948
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:31,519
in america you know where

949
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,519
a lot of people don't trust the

950
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:34,960
government they're not even trusting

951
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:35,840
science

952
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,440
and you know we won't get into that sort

953
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:38,880
of debate but it is

954
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:41,120
it's hard it's a challenge and it's kind

955
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:42,159
of um

956
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:44,080
been gradually happening where we have a

957
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:45,360
mistrust in our government

958
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:47,519
and things like the roswell cover up our

959
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,840
reasons for that until we find out

960
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:51,840
why it was covered up and like you

961
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:53,120
mentioned there could be very good

962
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:54,000
reasons

963
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:57,120
for that so um kind of wrapping that

964
00:32:01,509 --> 00:32:00,240
all up guys uh what can we expect in

965
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:01,519
future episodes

966
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:04,159
of roswell first witness i know we um we

967
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:05,279
dug into what was going to be in the

968
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:07,039
first one but anything you could tease

969
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:08,480
for us about what's coming up

970
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,760
on the show hmm yeah

971
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:13,200
denise that's dangerous territory i'll

972
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:14,880
let you take that it is i know and i

973
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,559
don't want to get you guys in trouble

974
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:18,320
i just you know there's some different

975
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:20,080
people that they've interviewed on the

976
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:20,960
for the show

977
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:27,350
i don't know i you know there's a

978
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:30,480
gentleman that they interviewed that uh

979
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:33,919
claimed to have known my

980
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:36,480
you know met my grandfather and were

981
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:37,600
discussing

982
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:40,080
pieces of the material uh that was a

983
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,399
lead that we followed down um

984
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,919
it's very intriguing i don't want to

985
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:45,600
give anything away about that

986
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:50,480
um we'll leave it at that yeah

987
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:53,200
i'll add to that and say that um you

988
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:53,600
know

989
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:55,200
if there's an important piece of

990
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:57,120
evidence to this story when we take a

991
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:58,399
hard look at it and we bring new

992
00:33:01,909 --> 00:33:00,000
technology to interrogate it

993
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:01,919
so you're going to look at some of the

994
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:03,039
established

995
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:04,480
pieces of evidence whether it's the

996
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:06,880
rainy photo whether it's the marcel

997
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:08,720
uh you know some of the marcel photos or

998
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,720
his interviews

999
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,720
we're going to get as uh investigative

1000
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:14,159
as we can and really

1001
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:16,080
look for that evidence in those hidden

1002
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:17,600
corners

1003
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:19,360
and see if we can learn something new

1004
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:21,760
and we do i feel like we do

1005
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:24,720
the show really uh it really is exciting

1006
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:26,080
and it carries it through the end it's

1007
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:27,440
worth watching all the way through the

1008
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:29,519
end and uh i've been on tv before and i

1009
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:30,720
can't say that about other

1010
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:32,000
shows even i've been involved in but

1011
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:34,000
this is one that i i really just feel

1012
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:35,039
passionately about

1013
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,880
and i think um i think it's gonna be

1014
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:38,480
successful

1015
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:40,799
awesome i mean if the first episode was

1016
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,279
in any indication i think it really will

1017
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:45,360
it's it opened my eyes to a lot more

1018
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:47,039
ways to look at this case

1019
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:49,600
which is like i said so refreshing when

1020
00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:51,039
it comes to the most famous and

1021
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:52,240
controversial

1022
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:54,720
case of all time so i can't wait to see

1023
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:56,240
what comes next and before we give the

1024
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:57,200
specifics

1025
00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:00,240
on the show um this is always an

1026
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:02,080
active investigation even after the

1027
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:03,600
camera starts rolling

1028
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:05,279
i know ben you're still looking into

1029
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:06,960
this i am denise

1030
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:08,639
i know you are as well because you want

1031
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,240
answers more than any of us

1032
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:12,000
for your grandfather especially who

1033
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:13,919
deserves that um

1034
00:34:18,869 --> 00:34:16,960
but uh is there anywhere that people can

1035
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:18,879
reach out or connect with either of you

1036
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:20,000
if they have any

1037
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:22,000
leads or things to follow up with with

1038
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:23,359
what you bring forth in

1039
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:25,359
in the show i'm not sure ben what do you

1040
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,480
think

1041
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:28,320
i'll have a personal website up it's not

1042
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:29,919
up today but it will be up soon

1043
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:32,720
uh aka ben smith you can find me there

1044
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,159
if you have any leads

1045
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:36,480
you know i want to be a contributing

1046
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:39,359
partner voice researcher in this

1047
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:42,079
investigation going forward and any

1048
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:45,599
leads would be would be super helpful

1049
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:47,119
you can always contact the history

1050
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:48,639
channel as well and they can get ahold

1051
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:49,520
of us and

1052
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:51,119
if we convince history channel then we

1053
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:52,639
can get more money uh to really

1054
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:54,159
investigate these things which is where

1055
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:55,200
a lot of the

1056
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,880
magic happens but um it's been a trip

1057
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:01,200
regardless and i think that like as you

1058
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:02,800
mentioned as you said this is just

1059
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:04,720
for me this is just the starting point

1060
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,560
um an entire

1061
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:08,480
investigation into the ufo phenomenon

1062
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:09,760
and based around

1063
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:13,520
you know the roswell incident yep it all

1064
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:16,160
starts at roswell and hopefully it'll

1065
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:16,480
come

1066
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:19,359
full circle sooner than later but once

1067
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:20,640
again the show

1068
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:23,520
is uh roswell first witness it premieres

1069
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:24,880
saturday december

1070
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:27,760
12th on the history channel at 9 00 pm

1071
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:30,240
eastern standard and pacific so

1072
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:32,480
everyone please go check out the show i

1073
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,000
can't wait to see

1074
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:36,640
comes next and ben and denise i have to

1075
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:38,320
thank you so much for joining me today

1076
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:40,800
on summer in the skies oh thank you for

1077
00:35:58,050 --> 00:35:42,480
having us

1078
00:36:24,560 --> 00:35:58,060
thank you a treat